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		<title>By: This year did not end up as I thought it would &#124; Taylor Davidson</title>
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		<dc:creator>This year did not end up as I thought it would &#124; Taylor Davidson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 14:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] as I became harder to understand, by asking a lot of questions I started to find my style and voice. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The &#8220;Post-Consumer&#8221; Era is a Fad. &#124; Unstructured Thoughts by Taylor Davidson</title>
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		<dc:creator>The &#8220;Post-Consumer&#8221; Era is a Fad. &#124; Unstructured Thoughts by Taylor Davidson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 02:27:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] will definitely have an impact on how consumers buy and how marketers promote and sell (example: Direct Marketing is Dead), it might change what we buy (I&#8217;m hopeful it does), but it will not drastically change why [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] will definitely have an impact on how consumers buy and how marketers promote and sell (example: Direct Marketing is Dead), it might change what we buy (I&#8217;m hopeful it does), but it will not drastically change why [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan Landers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bryan Landers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 04:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, cool...I was generally referring to &quot;the internet&#039;, which, &quot;isn&#039;t one thing...it&#039;s a million different things.&quot; Just a little lazy shorthand...I assure you in my mind I was carefully factoring in those million different things :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, cool&#8230;I was generally referring to &#8220;the internet&#39;, which, &#8220;isn&#39;t one thing&#8230;it&#39;s a million different things.&#8221; Just a little lazy shorthand&#8230;I assure you in my mind I was carefully factoring in those million different things <img src='http://www.unstructuredventures.com/uv/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Ethan Bauley</title>
		<link>http://www.unstructuredventures.com/uv/2008/07/30/direct-marketing-is-dead-long-live-direct-marketing/comment-page-1/#comment-34</link>
		<dc:creator>Ethan Bauley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 02:25:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i don&#039;t see anything to roll eyes about here</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i don&#39;t see anything to roll eyes about here</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan Landers</title>
		<link>http://www.unstructuredventures.com/uv/2008/07/30/direct-marketing-is-dead-long-live-direct-marketing/comment-page-1/#comment-33</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryan Landers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 12:42:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: marketplace and personal contexts, sure, those both exist. But in a way, it all has to come down to the personal context where the consumer pulls out their wallet and slaps down those hard-earned bills, right? Marketplace context (person A&#039;s context + person B&#039;s context...) certainly can impact the personal context, but that crucial moment of sales conversion (well, ok, unless you are forced to buy at gunpoint or something!) is an individual decision (even if you&#039;re involved in a group investment...each individual has to decide to put down their share).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Re: control and moolah, are you meaning from the marketer&#039;s perspective and impact? If so, man, it&#039;s changed a ton! One framework for looking at these elements is marketing as communication. Ethan will roll his eyes, but, every new channel of communication opened up on &quot;the internet&quot; enables more information to be shared and consumed by, errr, consumers. While there are still some channels (meaning printed materials, blogs, micro-blogs, forums, web apps, etc) under the sole direction of the marketer, they might as well kiss goodbye the concept of &quot;control&quot; in terms of having exclusive access to the consumer&#039;s brain!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I don&#039;t think that means giving up on efforts to put the intended message out there, but there is an obvious need for new strategies to have a positive effect on the communications out of the marketer&#039;s control. How about instead of &quot;control&quot; the focus shifts to &quot;impact&quot; or &quot;intention and energy&quot; (where energy is communication around products/services and intention is the decision to direct/amplify/mute/guide that energy towards a desired outcome)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: marketplace and personal contexts, sure, those both exist. But in a way, it all has to come down to the personal context where the consumer pulls out their wallet and slaps down those hard-earned bills, right? Marketplace context (person A&#39;s context + person B&#39;s context&#8230;) certainly can impact the personal context, but that crucial moment of sales conversion (well, ok, unless you are forced to buy at gunpoint or something!) is an individual decision (even if you&#39;re involved in a group investment&#8230;each individual has to decide to put down their share).</p>
<p>Re: control and moolah, are you meaning from the marketer&#39;s perspective and impact? If so, man, it&#39;s changed a ton! One framework for looking at these elements is marketing as communication. Ethan will roll his eyes, but, every new channel of communication opened up on &#8220;the internet&#8221; enables more information to be shared and consumed by, errr, consumers. While there are still some channels (meaning printed materials, blogs, micro-blogs, forums, web apps, etc) under the sole direction of the marketer, they might as well kiss goodbye the concept of &#8220;control&#8221; in terms of having exclusive access to the consumer&#39;s brain!</p>
<p>I don&#39;t think that means giving up on efforts to put the intended message out there, but there is an obvious need for new strategies to have a positive effect on the communications out of the marketer&#39;s control. How about instead of &#8220;control&#8221; the focus shifts to &#8220;impact&#8221; or &#8220;intention and energy&#8221; (where energy is communication around products/services and intention is the decision to direct/amplify/mute/guide that energy towards a desired outcome)?</p>
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		<title>By: Taylor Davidson</title>
		<link>http://www.unstructuredventures.com/uv/2008/07/30/direct-marketing-is-dead-long-live-direct-marketing/comment-page-1/#comment-32</link>
		<dc:creator>Taylor Davidson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 23:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a pretty insightful addition and spot on...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Content AND context... and given that most of social media is creating context (I heard &quot;curating content&quot; at BarCampRDU this weekend), it&#039;s a pretty important frame to add.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;my take is that marketers exploited niches because context couldn&#039;t escape the niche.  what&#039;s different about context now?  to go back to your post, more creators, more recipients, and different relationships (e.g. looser, stronger, wider)...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Is there a &quot;marketplace context&quot; and &quot;personal context&quot;?  Marketplace context = &quot;what people think of the product&quot; or &quot;a marketplace&#039;s valid opinion&quot;?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;person + product + marketing message + context (marketplace + personal) = consumer decision&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;and how does &quot;control&quot;, &quot;$$$&quot; and other frames vary within that equation from before to now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#39;s a pretty insightful addition and spot on&#8230;</p>
<p>Content AND context&#8230; and given that most of social media is creating context (I heard &#8220;curating content&#8221; at BarCampRDU this weekend), it&#39;s a pretty important frame to add.</p>
<p>my take is that marketers exploited niches because context couldn&#39;t escape the niche.  what&#39;s different about context now?  to go back to your post, more creators, more recipients, and different relationships (e.g. looser, stronger, wider)&#8230;</p>
<p>Is there a &#8220;marketplace context&#8221; and &#8220;personal context&#8221;?  Marketplace context = &#8220;what people think of the product&#8221; or &#8220;a marketplace&#39;s valid opinion&#8221;?</p>
<p>person + product + marketing message + context (marketplace + personal) = consumer decision</p>
<p>and how does &#8220;control&#8221;, &#8220;$$$&#8221; and other frames vary within that equation from before to now?</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan Landers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bryan Landers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 22:29:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you go past the exclusively marketer side of this, perhaps a more efficient equation would be:&lt;br&gt;person + product + marketing message + consumer context = consumer decision to buy or not&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The consumer context could then be broken down into criteria like I was toying with here &lt;a href=&quot;http://bryanlanders.tumblr.com/post/42962678/breaking-down-context&quot;&gt;http://bryanlanders.tumblr.com/post/42962678/br...&lt;/a&gt;. This is where social media completely changes the way the equation works vs pre-social media. I suggest this addition because I think even with a crappy person + crappy product + crappy message, consumers might still decide to buy based on their context! Think about peer pressure (did you ever make your parents buy a bad product for you only because you wanted to fit in?), viral/P2P media (created by the marketer or not), or even just a positive review of the product by a trusted source.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Even though new media/content/etc has insanely blown up the context part of the equation, it was there before. Wasn&#039;t that a huge way marketers exploited niches pre-internet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you go past the exclusively marketer side of this, perhaps a more efficient equation would be:<br />person + product + marketing message + consumer context = consumer decision to buy or not</p>
<p>The consumer context could then be broken down into criteria like I was toying with here <a href="http://bryanlanders.tumblr.com/post/42962678/breaking-down-context"></a><a href="http://bryanlanders.tumblr.com/post/42962678/br.." rel="nofollow">http://bryanlanders.tumblr.com/post/42962678/br..</a>.. This is where social media completely changes the way the equation works vs pre-social media. I suggest this addition because I think even with a crappy person + crappy product + crappy message, consumers might still decide to buy based on their context! Think about peer pressure (did you ever make your parents buy a bad product for you only because you wanted to fit in?), viral/P2P media (created by the marketer or not), or even just a positive review of the product by a trusted source.</p>
<p>Even though new media/content/etc has insanely blown up the context part of the equation, it was there before. Wasn&#39;t that a huge way marketers exploited niches pre-internet?</p>
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		<title>By: gregorylent</title>
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		<dc:creator>gregorylent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 21:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and for every goon at guantanamo prosecution strategy meetings, we have a guy like this, inventing the next solar breakthrough &lt;a href=&quot;http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2008/oxygen-0731.html&quot;&gt;http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2008/oxygen-0731....&lt;/a&gt; &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;human life seems a series of planes, all good and all evil, right here.  pick your level, if you have a choice, and do your work&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;enjoy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and for every goon at guantanamo prosecution strategy meetings, we have a guy like this, inventing the next solar breakthrough <a href="http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2008/oxygen-0731.html"></a><a href="http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2008/oxygen-0731..." rel="nofollow">http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2008/oxygen-0731&#8230;</a>. </p>
<p>human life seems a series of planes, all good and all evil, right here.  pick your level, if you have a choice, and do your work</p>
<p>enjoy</p>
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		<title>By: gregorylent</title>
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		<dc:creator>gregorylent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 21:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(think, paulson, recommendations to buy bear stearns the day before it collapsed, hedge fund guys with 6 trill of shuffled debt, an insane invasion of iraq on pretense, for your sociapath examples, and what they have might have to give up... not so hard)  ... these people with these minds simply have to die off, they are so vested into an identity that to change would be the same as suicide</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(think, paulson, recommendations to buy bear stearns the day before it collapsed, hedge fund guys with 6 trill of shuffled debt, an insane invasion of iraq on pretense, for your sociapath examples, and what they have might have to give up&#8230; not so hard)  &#8230; these people with these minds simply have to die off, they are so vested into an identity that to change would be the same as suicide</p>
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		<title>By: gregorylent</title>
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		<dc:creator>gregorylent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 21:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that is an honest thing to say .. so many woohoo social media &quot;evangelists&quot; would not allow themselves such directness... discussions today online re, is social media just for selling things?  probably.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;appreciate your emphasis on margin, above.  reality is a &lt;i&gt;great&lt;/i&gt;, and relentless, echo chamber..  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;vo nyugen giap was a vietnamese general with a phd and said an amazing thing about america .. ah, your computers, they merely serve to render your ignorance more efficient ..  and while i can see a bright light of possiblity coming over the horizon, i agree with your observation of the human element, look at the comments on youtube&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;i think you nailed the central point, for enterprises, if it helps with strategy, we will do it.  soon.  probably.  but most of my interest and excitement comes from my time (and philosophical/spiritual/consciousness interests) out on the edge, where  friendfeed and twitter are revealing something of the next phase of life on earth, and it is totally exciting to see it come into being.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;companies, like scientists with their need for proof, need to see it on the bottom line.  yogis have been smiling with hyper-connectivity for eons.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;enjoy, thanks for your time &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;do you know anything about spiral dynamics?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that is an honest thing to say .. so many woohoo social media &#8220;evangelists&#8221; would not allow themselves such directness&#8230; discussions today online re, is social media just for selling things?  probably.  </p>
<p>appreciate your emphasis on margin, above.  reality is a <i>great</i>, and relentless, echo chamber..  </p>
<p>vo nyugen giap was a vietnamese general with a phd and said an amazing thing about america .. ah, your computers, they merely serve to render your ignorance more efficient ..  and while i can see a bright light of possiblity coming over the horizon, i agree with your observation of the human element, look at the comments on youtube</p>
<p>i think you nailed the central point, for enterprises, if it helps with strategy, we will do it.  soon.  probably.  but most of my interest and excitement comes from my time (and philosophical/spiritual/consciousness interests) out on the edge, where  friendfeed and twitter are revealing something of the next phase of life on earth, and it is totally exciting to see it come into being.</p>
<p>companies, like scientists with their need for proof, need to see it on the bottom line.  yogis have been smiling with hyper-connectivity for eons.</p>
<p>enjoy, thanks for your time </p>
<p>do you know anything about spiral dynamics?</p>
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