Comments on: Are “Online Conversations” Really Conversations? http://www.unstructuredventures.com/uv/2008/12/01/are-online-conversations-really-conversations/ Translating Business Strategies into Financial Models Thu, 22 Jul 2010 21:35:00 -0700 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Hashtags are useless until threads are meaningful. | Unstructured Thoughts by Taylor Davidson http://www.unstructuredventures.com/uv/2008/12/01/are-online-conversations-really-conversations/comment-page-1/#comment-2038 Hashtags are useless until threads are meaningful. | Unstructured Thoughts by Taylor Davidson Thu, 14 May 2009 20:18:02 +0000 http://www.unstructuredventures.com/uv/?p=449#comment-2038 [...] Are “Online Conversations really conversations”, Dec 2008: Where is the tool that extracts meaning and not just knowledge? [...] [...] Are “Online Conversations really conversations”, Dec 2008: Where is the tool that extracts meaning and not just knowledge? [...]

]]> By: Bryan Landers http://www.unstructuredventures.com/uv/2008/12/01/are-online-conversations-really-conversations/comment-page-1/#comment-891 Bryan Landers Wed, 03 Dec 2008 05:20:58 +0000 http://www.unstructuredventures.com/uv/?p=449#comment-891 Hmm...great questions! I'd like to think the verdict is still out on this because in terms of human history, the web as we've come to know and love it is still brand spanking new! Are you thinking American society? We surely have more opportunity to pursue wisdom than many societies currently in existence (and more wisdom to gain being younger than many). My hope is that easier storage of facts and data will accord people more time to think and create. Seems to be working for you ;) Hmm…great questions! I'd like to think the verdict is still out on this because in terms of human history, the web as we've come to know and love it is still brand spanking new! Are you thinking American society? We surely have more opportunity to pursue wisdom than many societies currently in existence (and more wisdom to gain being younger than many). My hope is that easier storage of facts and data will accord people more time to think and create. Seems to be working for you ;)

]]> By: Bryan Landers http://www.unstructuredventures.com/uv/2008/12/01/are-online-conversations-really-conversations/comment-page-1/#comment-1495 Bryan Landers Wed, 03 Dec 2008 05:20:58 +0000 http://www.unstructuredventures.com/uv/?p=449#comment-1495 Hmm...great questions! I'd like to think the verdict is still out on this because in terms of human history, the web as we've come to know and love it is still brand spanking new! Are you thinking American society? We surely have more opportunity to pursue wisdom than many societies currently in existence (and more wisdom to gain being younger than many). My hope is that easier storage of facts and data will accord people more time to think and create. Seems to be working for you ;) Hmm…great questions! I'd like to think the verdict is still out on this because in terms of human history, the web as we've come to know and love it is still brand spanking new! Are you thinking American society? We surely have more opportunity to pursue wisdom than many societies currently in existence (and more wisdom to gain being younger than many). My hope is that easier storage of facts and data will accord people more time to think and create. Seems to be working for you ;)

]]> By: Taylor Davidson http://www.unstructuredventures.com/uv/2008/12/01/are-online-conversations-really-conversations/comment-page-1/#comment-890 Taylor Davidson Wed, 03 Dec 2008 04:12:51 +0000 http://www.unstructuredventures.com/uv/?p=449#comment-890 Bryan: you raise a couple really interesting points that I probably wasn't fully considering when I wrote the post...<br><br>- I actually have a draft post on the exact topic of the reduced contextual information we lose when we communicate on the web: as we've discussed before, emoticons are still a pretty limited method for communicating meta-information.<br><br>I would love to see people's furrowed brows, quizzical looks and disdainful shakes of the head when they read my posts :)<br><br>We use the easiest tools of communication not because they're the most powerful, but because they're the easiest, the cheapest, the most available, the least costly for us; not the most powerful way to deliver our messages.<br><br>I expect less from communicating with people online...<br><br>- Can any web service flip the switch to create insight? With the right tools and usage flow to create the necessary environment and "backgrond" for a person, they can help; but I'll agree that it still takes the person to flip the switch themselves.<br><br>Can any web service flip the switch to create wisdom? I don't think so.<br><br>And that's the real issue: because we focus on knowledge, do we neglect the power of wisdom? Are we becoming less wise as a society because we only focus on storing facts and data? Open for thoughts... Bryan: you raise a couple really interesting points that I probably wasn't fully considering when I wrote the post…

- I actually have a draft post on the exact topic of the reduced contextual information we lose when we communicate on the web: as we've discussed before, emoticons are still a pretty limited method for communicating meta-information.

I would love to see people's furrowed brows, quizzical looks and disdainful shakes of the head when they read my posts :)

We use the easiest tools of communication not because they're the most powerful, but because they're the easiest, the cheapest, the most available, the least costly for us; not the most powerful way to deliver our messages.

I expect less from communicating with people online…

- Can any web service flip the switch to create insight? With the right tools and usage flow to create the necessary environment and “backgrond” for a person, they can help; but I'll agree that it still takes the person to flip the switch themselves.

Can any web service flip the switch to create wisdom? I don't think so.

And that's the real issue: because we focus on knowledge, do we neglect the power of wisdom? Are we becoming less wise as a society because we only focus on storing facts and data? Open for thoughts…

]]> By: Taylor Davidson http://www.unstructuredventures.com/uv/2008/12/01/are-online-conversations-really-conversations/comment-page-1/#comment-1494 Taylor Davidson Wed, 03 Dec 2008 04:12:51 +0000 http://www.unstructuredventures.com/uv/?p=449#comment-1494 Bryan: you raise a couple really interesting points that I probably wasn't fully considering when I wrote the post...<br><br>- I actually have a draft post on the exact topic of the reduced contextual information we lose when we communicate on the web: as we've discussed before, emoticons are still a pretty limited method for communicating meta-information.<br><br>I would love to see people's furrowed brows, quizzical looks and disdainful shakes of the head when they read my posts :)<br><br>We use the easiest tools of communication not because they're the most powerful, but because they're the easiest, the cheapest, the most available, the least costly for us; not the most powerful way to deliver our messages.<br><br>I expect less from communicating with people online...<br><br>- Can any web service flip the switch to create insight? With the right tools and usage flow to create the necessary environment and "backgrond" for a person, they can help; but I'll agree that it still takes the person to flip the switch themselves.<br><br>Can any web service flip the switch to create wisdom? I don't think so.<br><br>And that's the real issue: because we focus on knowledge, do we neglect the power of wisdom? Are we becoming less wise as a society because we only focus on storing facts and data? Open for thoughts... Bryan: you raise a couple really interesting points that I probably wasn't fully considering when I wrote the post…

- I actually have a draft post on the exact topic of the reduced contextual information we lose when we communicate on the web: as we've discussed before, emoticons are still a pretty limited method for communicating meta-information.

I would love to see people's furrowed brows, quizzical looks and disdainful shakes of the head when they read my posts :)

We use the easiest tools of communication not because they're the most powerful, but because they're the easiest, the cheapest, the most available, the least costly for us; not the most powerful way to deliver our messages.

I expect less from communicating with people online…

- Can any web service flip the switch to create insight? With the right tools and usage flow to create the necessary environment and “backgrond” for a person, they can help; but I'll agree that it still takes the person to flip the switch themselves.

Can any web service flip the switch to create wisdom? I don't think so.

And that's the real issue: because we focus on knowledge, do we neglect the power of wisdom? Are we becoming less wise as a society because we only focus on storing facts and data? Open for thoughts…

]]> By: Taylor Davidson http://www.unstructuredventures.com/uv/2008/12/01/are-online-conversations-really-conversations/comment-page-1/#comment-889 Taylor Davidson Wed, 03 Dec 2008 04:03:18 +0000 http://www.unstructuredventures.com/uv/?p=449#comment-889 Chris: I definitely expect more from web services... I'm not expecting artificial intelligence, but I do believe we can develop web services that help us think and make decisions with less active, synchronous effort from us. If we pay attention to how we think and process information (and context) as humans, then perhaps we can structure web applications and data flows to really help us understand and make decisions easier, faster and with more confidence.<br><br>I hope... Chris: I definitely expect more from web services… I'm not expecting artificial intelligence, but I do believe we can develop web services that help us think and make decisions with less active, synchronous effort from us. If we pay attention to how we think and process information (and context) as humans, then perhaps we can structure web applications and data flows to really help us understand and make decisions easier, faster and with more confidence.

I hope…

]]> By: Taylor Davidson http://www.unstructuredventures.com/uv/2008/12/01/are-online-conversations-really-conversations/comment-page-1/#comment-1496 Taylor Davidson Wed, 03 Dec 2008 04:03:18 +0000 http://www.unstructuredventures.com/uv/?p=449#comment-1496 Chris: I definitely expect more from web services... I'm not expecting artificial intelligence, but I do believe we can develop web services that help us think and make decisions with less active, synchronous effort from us. If we pay attention to how we think and process information (and context) as humans, then perhaps we can structure web applications and data flows to really help us understand and make decisions easier, faster and with more confidence.<br><br>I hope... Chris: I definitely expect more from web services… I'm not expecting artificial intelligence, but I do believe we can develop web services that help us think and make decisions with less active, synchronous effort from us. If we pay attention to how we think and process information (and context) as humans, then perhaps we can structure web applications and data flows to really help us understand and make decisions easier, faster and with more confidence.

I hope…

]]> By: Bryan Landers http://www.unstructuredventures.com/uv/2008/12/01/are-online-conversations-really-conversations/comment-page-1/#comment-888 Bryan Landers Tue, 02 Dec 2008 20:38:56 +0000 http://www.unstructuredventures.com/uv/?p=449#comment-888 Hell yes on tools filtering and revealing more value - lots of innovation left to be had there, and BackType is right in there with that battle ;)<br><br>I guess I'm wondering about the inability of any web service to flip that switch in someone's brain that is insight. Teachers cannot learn for students...each person must learn for themselves and there's no matrix-style data dump where you wake up and go, "I can fly a helicopter now!" In that way, no online tool, no matter how well presented with context, supporting information, delivered at an appropriate time, can do the actual processing that Taylor mentions.<br><br>Whether or not social media communication counts as a valid conversation, I still find it exciting when I get a response from a tweet, blog post, or comment! It's a little glimpse into the power and potential of these tools. Hell yes on tools filtering and revealing more value – lots of innovation left to be had there, and BackType is right in there with that battle ;)

I guess I'm wondering about the inability of any web service to flip that switch in someone's brain that is insight. Teachers cannot learn for students…each person must learn for themselves and there's no matrix-style data dump where you wake up and go, “I can fly a helicopter now!” In that way, no online tool, no matter how well presented with context, supporting information, delivered at an appropriate time, can do the actual processing that Taylor mentions.

Whether or not social media communication counts as a valid conversation, I still find it exciting when I get a response from a tweet, blog post, or comment! It's a little glimpse into the power and potential of these tools.

]]> By: Bryan Landers http://www.unstructuredventures.com/uv/2008/12/01/are-online-conversations-really-conversations/comment-page-1/#comment-1493 Bryan Landers Tue, 02 Dec 2008 20:38:56 +0000 http://www.unstructuredventures.com/uv/?p=449#comment-1493 Hell yes on tools filtering and revealing more value - lots of innovation left to be had there, and BackType is right in there with that battle ;)<br><br>I guess I'm wondering about the inability of any web service to flip that switch in someone's brain that is insight. Teachers cannot learn for students...each person must learn for themselves and there's no matrix-style data dump where you wake up and go, "I can fly a helicopter now!" In that way, no online tool, no matter how well presented with context, supporting information, delivered at an appropriate time, can do the actual processing that Taylor mentions.<br><br>Whether or not social media communication counts as a valid conversation, I still find it exciting when I get a response from a tweet, blog post, or comment! It's a little glimpse into the power and potential of these tools. Hell yes on tools filtering and revealing more value – lots of innovation left to be had there, and BackType is right in there with that battle ;)

I guess I'm wondering about the inability of any web service to flip that switch in someone's brain that is insight. Teachers cannot learn for students…each person must learn for themselves and there's no matrix-style data dump where you wake up and go, “I can fly a helicopter now!” In that way, no online tool, no matter how well presented with context, supporting information, delivered at an appropriate time, can do the actual processing that Taylor mentions.

Whether or not social media communication counts as a valid conversation, I still find it exciting when I get a response from a tweet, blog post, or comment! It's a little glimpse into the power and potential of these tools.

]]> By: Christopher Golda http://www.unstructuredventures.com/uv/2008/12/01/are-online-conversations-really-conversations/comment-page-1/#comment-887 Christopher Golda Tue, 02 Dec 2008 19:49:37 +0000 http://www.unstructuredventures.com/uv/?p=449#comment-887 The right tools, filtering, etc can take users from information to insight. And I think that's what Taylor was getting at. Content is abundant, etc, so now value will come from tools that allow people to examine and filter that data.<br><br>I don't expect more from people online -- I expect more from web services. The right tools, filtering, etc can take users from information to insight. And I think that's what Taylor was getting at. Content is abundant, etc, so now value will come from tools that allow people to examine and filter that data.

I don't expect more from people online — I expect more from web services.

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